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hurley1313
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|  Subject: Right to Vote  Thu May 01, 2008 11:30 pm | |
| This is one amendment I would agree to change if ever put to a vote.
This is similar to the equality topic that I posted to get a rise(that has not succeeded)
I think there should be a test to vote. We have a test to take to get into college, drive a car, carry a hand gun(way to easy. I got one while fighting a charge), and a lot of jobs require a test of some sort now. Yet any dumb ass can vote for the leader of the most powerful nation in existence.
I propose that you should have to know at least 20 previous presidents, All the States and Capitols, The current Mayor of your town/city, and the current Governor of your state as a bare minimum.
If you don't know the basics than how can you possibly be trusted to to keep our nation the greatest in in the world?
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Allen
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Location : murfreesboro, tn
| | Subject: Re: Right to Vote Fri May 02, 2008 12:27 am | |
| This is a good idea. I agree. I would rather the president be voted for a select few intelligent voters than many voters who listen to Puff Daddy, and want to vote or die.
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jaj.atl
Class of 1998
Age : 27
Joined : 14 Apr 2008
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Location : Atlanta, GA
| | Subject: Re: Right to Vote Sat May 03, 2008 10:29 am | |
| I agree with you again.
Also I think it would be nice if the voting procedures changed...
why not instead of voting for a candidate...they post all of the views and you vote if you are in favor of that topic or not...it could even be rated. That way you are voting for what you believe in, not for a person that the media has played up. |
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hurley1313
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| | Subject: Re: Right to Vote Sat May 03, 2008 10:31 am | |
| Could be interesting almost like a match making site. But to many of the views are lies.
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Allen
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| | Subject: Re: Right to Vote Sat May 03, 2008 10:52 am | |
| I think it would be interesting if we didn't vote for the President. If we only voted for our Congressman and Senators. Then they voted for the President. Everyone would pay more attn to our local leaders.
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skyla
Class of 1998
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Posts : 103
Location : Eugene, OR
| | Subject: Re: Right to Vote Sun May 04, 2008 10:18 pm | |
| | jaj.atl wrote: |
why not instead of voting for a candidate...they post all of the views and you vote if you are in favor of that topic or not...it could even be rated. That way you are voting for what you believe in, not for a person that the media has played up. |
That's how we vote in Oregon. We have elected officials but we vote on every single issue. It's awesome! But now they are getting sneaky with the way they word their proposals and views. There's no perfect system.
At first I am all for the test. But maybe an IQ test rather than a factoid test. Then we would run the risk of broke kids in poor schools with crappy teachers never getting a say in improving their area. If I want to get totally conspiracy theory on it, people in power could intentionally underfund and undereducate the minority groups or demograpgic areas who are least likely to support their policies; therefore ensuring that people who disagree with them will not be eligible to vote. I know, highly unlikely, but corruption has a way of making the unlikely a huge freakin' reality. |
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jaj.atl
Class of 1998
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Posts : 111
Location : Atlanta, GA
| | Subject: Re: Right to Vote Tue May 13, 2008 9:50 am | |
| Hurley...it isn't the views that are lies but the campaigning. If you voted for the views, they would be able to get rid of all the campaigning schemes.
I understand there is no perfect system but it seems that it would be better than some joe schmoe going into a booth and voting for Hillary cause he likes her tits. Also, there is always going to be some "sneakiness"...show me one politician at the national level or even state level that isn't concerned with money and power.
Plus shouldn't we pay more attention to our local leaders anyway? They effect me personally more than the President does...as I assume they do you also. That is honestly the only reason I have ever been registered to vote. |
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heatherD
Class of 1997
Age : 29
Joined : 11 Apr 2008
Posts : 90
Location : Nashville, TN
| | Subject: Re: Right to Vote Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:03 am | |
| I agree with Skyla that it should be an intelligence test. Anyone can learn facts but not have intelligence.
My other opinion is that people should take a test before having children. Honestly, I think it would put a curb on child abuse. Many people abuse their children because of a lack of patience or just plain ignorance. I think there should be a birth control substance in the general water supply and that people should fill out an application and submit to testing in order to receive the antidote.
(there you go Hurley, a new thread) |
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Allen
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| | Subject: Re: Right to Vote Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:17 am | |
| | heatherD wrote: | I agree with Skyla that it should be an intelligence test. Anyone can learn facts but not have intelligence.
My other opinion is that people should take a test before having children. Honestly, I think it would put a curb on child abuse. Many people abuse their children because of a lack of patience or just plain ignorance. I think there should be a birth control substance in the general water supply and that people should fill out an application and submit to testing in order to receive the antidote.
(there you go Hurley, a new thread) |
I will fully agree with you on this. Earning the right to have kids, great idea. Too many people are too stupid to reproduce.
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hurley1313
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| | Subject: Re: Right to Vote Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:30 am | |
| An easier way would be for the government to stop handing out money for kids. That alone would drop it in some areas.
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heatherD
Class of 1997
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Location : Nashville, TN
| | Subject: Re: Right to Vote Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:14 pm | |
| | hurley1313 wrote: | | An easier way would be for the government to stop handing out money for kids. That alone would drop it in some areas. |
Sometimes I lament the fact that I have a Social Work degree.
The Government does not "hand out money" for kids. At least, not in TN. There are some places where you get $300 for the first child and then $100 for each addt child for welfare money (that was the case 6 yrs ago, Lord only knows the state of it now). Does this sound appealing? Could you possibly raise a child on $300 a month? Or 2 children on $400 a month? It's simply LUDICROUS!!! (pardon the all caps and exclamation points).
Really, welfare is not as wonderful as people think it is. WIC cuts you off as soon as your child turns 18 months. Isn't that when you'll really start needing it the most? When children need more cereal and dairy to sustain their growing bodies. There's HONESTLY no such thing as a welfare mother buying steak and driving a Lexus, I don't care whose cousin's sister's boyfriend saw it with their own eyes!
Medicare is for the old and infirm, but only after they have drained their savings away and have not a penny left to their name. They are then left to rot in the most despicable homes you can find with roaches and food with little to no nutritive value. Excellent.
I once encountered a complete idiot, i.e. Poly Sci major, who said "we should deport all the people on welfare". My response was "You want to deport our own citizens. Brilliant! To where?". He then said "they should get jobs". My rejoinder was that the majority of the people benefiting from "welfare" and TennCare are "under the age of 12 and I do believe that child labor laws still stand".
I can only say that the system has failed. We may as well leave our children to die of exposure and place our elderly on ice floes.
Anyone who is interested really should read this book:
There Are No Children Here: The Story of Two Boys Growing Up in The Other America
by Alex Kotlowitz
It may move some of you to compassion. If you have any left. I am thoroughly disgusted. |
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hurley1313
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| | Subject: Re: Right to Vote Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:33 am | |
| Yes I think you could raise a child for 300 a month. If your housing cost is non-existant, you recieve seperate money for food, and you don't do anything except stay at home anyway. If the money and time is handled wisely than, yes it shouldn't be hard at all. But the wisely part is the killer because if they had handled anything wisely than they would not be in the position to have to stretch 300 a month for their kid.
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Allen
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| | Subject: Re: Right to Vote Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:47 pm | |
| Thanks for the insight Heather. None of us know exactly what being on welfare is like without having been on it ourselves. I will say this, when I sold for Verizon, there was an abundance of people on "fixed income" as they referred to it who had no reservations in buying expensive phones, getting high plans, and adding all the features. I'm not saying they shouldn't have cell phones, but they should not be top of the line if their only income is through through the government/taxes.
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heatherD
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| | Subject: Re: Right to Vote Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:52 pm | |
| | Allen wrote: | | Thanks for the insight Heather. None of us know exactly what being on welfare is like without having been on it ourselves. I will say this, when I sold for Verizon, there was an abundance of people on "fixed income" as they referred to it who had no reservations in buying expensive phones, getting high plans, and adding all the features. I'm not saying they shouldn't have cell phones, but they should not be top of the line if their only income is through through the government/taxes. |
Yeah. I don't know about all that. Some people just don't know about budgeting and that's why they're in the fix they're in. One must also consider that the cell phone is the only phone they have. They don't have the "landline". I work for Social Security so I have been encountering the pre-paid phones a lot more recently. What a pain in the butt, however I can see the brilliance of them. |
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Allen
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| | Subject: Re: Right to Vote Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:49 pm | |
| | heatherD wrote: | | Allen wrote: | | Thanks for the insight Heather. None of us know exactly what being on welfare is like without having been on it ourselves. I will say this, when I sold for Verizon, there was an abundance of people on "fixed income" as they referred to it who had no reservations in buying expensive phones, getting high plans, and adding all the features. I'm not saying they shouldn't have cell phones, but they should not be top of the line if their only income is through through the government/taxes. |
Yeah. I don't know about all that. Some people just don't know about budgeting and that's why they're in the fix they're in. One must also consider that the cell phone is the only phone they have. They don't have the "landline". I work for Social Security so I have been encountering the pre-paid phones a lot more recently. What a pain in the butt, however I can see the brilliance of them. |
That's why I stated I don't believe they shouldn't have cell phones, but these folks would trim them out and often get them for their kids. If I was on fixed income I would figure that if my kid was old enough to have a cell phone, they were old enough to get a job and pay for it on their own.
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